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T O P I C R E V I E WSunAscendantI want to know once and for all if it was a suicide or murder. In my opinion (without having read his chart yet) I personally believe it was suicide and NOT a murder coordinated by his wife Courtney Love. FatedCinderellaI absolutely dislike too much water on natal.On his case he had a bit of all water sign.It's too problematic to deal with! The person may feel like an outsider,like they don't belong here.They may have overwhelming emotions and sensitivity and confusion! They may find comfort on imagination,drugs etc (escapism) when things get too tough,when they can't deal with the reality :/Aries23DegreesWow. What an incredible chart.Pluto/Ura opp Mercury/Ven/SaturnJupiter square MarsNeptune in 3rdMercury/Venus/Saturn parallel and contra parallel UranusThe Merc/Venus/Saturn and Uranus connection is repeated.Saturn can form boundaries and Uranus wants to break em. And when we consider Jupiter/Mars square added therein, the belief in what one wants is very strong. Even if delusional.Neptune is in 3rd and very idealistic. Mercury in 6th in opposition to Pluto is deep thoughts on a constant basisIs it suicide? Can't say. The transits on the day could shed light. But the chart certainly does suggest an escapist who wanted out(Uranus/Saturn opp) of what "is" (Mercury/ Venus/Saturn conjunct). And it may have frustrated him greatly if he didn't change his focus(Mars/Jupiter square) or stop obsessing over the need to "escape" it all (Pluto conjunction to Uranus)Saturn/Uranus also suggest "ground breaking" ideas that change the status quo. But it is usually through a group/movement or organizations that great strides in this regard are made. So perhaps his music was the outlet? As Saturn rules his 5th house of creativity and Uranus/Pluto aspect it. So he was in a way the voice of a generation?Saturn/Uranus though does suggest a rebellious streak that with Pluto/Saturn added in, can be both sudden and final. Uranus is in you face and Pluto can downright exaggerate the extent of the rebellion to outright violence against all that is.Is it possible that he found it all too frustrating and intimidating to try and change the world, so instead emancipated himself from it all? MahaKali8th house in Aries ruled by Mars (fire weapon, gun) which is in Scorpio (violent death) and that square to Jupiter. As Mars is the ruler of 8th house of death in 2nd house of things we want to possess, he wanted to possesses his own death. With all these water influence and bad aspects, he couldn't handle with life and pain anymore, both physical and psychical, so..MahaKaliInteresting enough, his strange stomach illness can be explained by 6th house ruler Uranus in 12th (unexplained, hidden illness). 12th house ruler in 6th also. Pain comes from health problems.MahaKaliBut for your theory we also can look this way. 7th house is in Pisces, Neptun in Scorpio in 3rd represents Courtney. Passionate women with whorly appearing, talkative, powerful in words but liar. Co ruler Jupiter in Cancer as I remember she is Cancer Sun) is in square to Mars, ruler of his 8th house. 4th house also represents end of our life, Jupiter ruler square Mars. RandallBump!Brendan34 quote:Originally posted by FatedCinderella:I absolutely dislike too much water on natal.On his case he had a bit of all water sign.It's too problematic to deal with! The person may feel like an outsider,like they don't belong here.They may have overwhelming emotions and sensitivity and confusion! They may find comfort on imagination,drugs etc (escapism) when things get too tough,when they can't deal with the reality :/How can you just say you dislike someone based on their chart in such a one dimensional way?My chart is mostly water as well. Yes, it leads to strong emotions, great sensitivity, absorbing other people's moods, environments and personalities. It leads you to cry when life gets too much, or when life is so beautiful it hurts. It also gives you exceptional strength, the ability to stay strong through situations other's struggle to process emotionally because you're more in touch with your emotions on a daily basis.Many people just react and don't know how, or don't want to deal with their emotions. Strong water charts, through experience and age, often deal with inner turmoil and life events and become more resilient and hopefully peaceful in time (depending on your main signs and aspects obviously).Your description doesn't convey any deeper sense of the nuances of water signs and is just a wide generalization. If I didn't have such a strong inner emotional life I wouldn't be as dedicated to exercising everyday, playing guitar, writing poetry, and having a unique passion for music, film, art, etc. In great sensitivity there is great strength.There are positives and negatives to any element.
Pluto/Ura opp Mercury/Ven/SaturnJupiter square MarsNeptune in 3rd
Mercury/Venus/Saturn parallel and contra parallel Uranus
The Merc/Venus/Saturn and Uranus connection is repeated.
Saturn can form boundaries and Uranus wants to break em. And when we consider Jupiter/Mars square added therein, the belief in what one wants is very strong. Even if delusional.
Neptune is in 3rd and very idealistic. Mercury in 6th in opposition to Pluto is deep thoughts on a constant basis
Is it suicide? Can't say. The transits on the day could shed light. But the chart certainly does suggest an escapist who wanted out(Uranus/Saturn opp) of what "is" (Mercury/ Venus/Saturn conjunct).
And it may have frustrated him greatly if he didn't change his focus(Mars/Jupiter square) or stop obsessing over the need to "escape" it all (Pluto conjunction to Uranus)
Saturn/Uranus also suggest "ground breaking" ideas that change the status quo. But it is usually through a group/movement or organizations that great strides in this regard are made.
So perhaps his music was the outlet? As Saturn rules his 5th house of creativity and Uranus/Pluto aspect it. So he was in a way the voice of a generation?
Saturn/Uranus though does suggest a rebellious streak that with Pluto/Saturn added in, can be both sudden and final.
Uranus is in you face and Pluto can downright exaggerate the extent of the rebellion to outright violence against all that is.
Is it possible that he found it all too frustrating and intimidating to try and change the world, so instead emancipated himself from it all?
quote:Originally posted by FatedCinderella:I absolutely dislike too much water on natal.On his case he had a bit of all water sign.It's too problematic to deal with! The person may feel like an outsider,like they don't belong here.They may have overwhelming emotions and sensitivity and confusion! They may find comfort on imagination,drugs etc (escapism) when things get too tough,when they can't deal with the reality :/
How can you just say you dislike someone based on their chart in such a one dimensional way?
My chart is mostly water as well. Yes, it leads to strong emotions, great sensitivity, absorbing other people's moods, environments and personalities. It leads you to cry when life gets too much, or when life is so beautiful it hurts. It also gives you exceptional strength, the ability to stay strong through situations other's struggle to process emotionally because you're more in touch with your emotions on a daily basis.
Many people just react and don't know how, or don't want to deal with their emotions. Strong water charts, through experience and age, often deal with inner turmoil and life events and become more resilient and hopefully peaceful in time (depending on your main signs and aspects obviously).
Your description doesn't convey any deeper sense of the nuances of water signs and is just a wide generalization. If I didn't have such a strong inner emotional life I wouldn't be as dedicated to exercising everyday, playing guitar, writing poetry, and having a unique passion for music, film, art, etc.
In great sensitivity there is great strength.
There are positives and negatives to any element.
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